Full FOI response

Below is the full email exchange relating to RUK fees between GUSRC President Stuart Ritchie and the University of GLasgow’s Head of Corporate Communications Susan Stewart, that qmunicate obtained via a Freedom of Information request.

—–Original Message—–
From: Susan Stewart
Sent: 27 September 2011 14:27
To: SRC President
Subject: Re: RUK announcement
Great, thanks.
S
Sent from my iPad
On 27 Sep 2011, at 14:25, “SRC President”
wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> We are still drafting. Happy to share with you as soon as its
completed.
>
> S
> Stuart Ritchie,
> President,
> Students’ Representative Council,
> John McIntyre Building,
> University Avenue,
> Glasgow,
> G12 8QQ
> Tel: 01413398541
> Fax: 01413373557 Appendix B Emails between Susan Stewart and Stuart Ritchie
> Mobile: 07843203717
> Email: president@src.gla.ac.uk
> Web: http://www.glasgowstudent.net
>
> Glasgow University Students’ Representative Council is a registered
> charity – SC006970 ________________________________________
> From: Susan Stewart
> Sent: 27 September 2011 14:23
> To: SRC President; David Anderson
> Subject: RUK announcement
>
> Stuart,Dave,
>
> I’ve share our release with you both, in strictest confidence. I
think today’s announcements from Dundee and Strathclyde make it more
likely that our own position ( assuming court agrees with the
recommendation) will gain some positive reactions.
> Would you be prepared to share with me, in confidence, what you are
planning to say on behalf of students and staff?
>
> W are hoping to send an all staff e mail from Anton once court has
decided. It will be a cut down versions of the press release.
>
> I’m working from home today, flu, but you can get me on 334 5717,
if you need to speak.
> Best,
>
> Susan
>
> Sent from my iPad
From: Susan Stewart
Sent: 27 September 2011 21:49
To: SRC President
Cc: Peter Aitchison
Subject: Re:
Thanks Stuart,
Look forward to seeing that. Wonder if NUS will say something, what do you think?
I’m copying Peter into this as he will press the send button tomorrow and should make
sure Ian knows when we have gone live, so your own statement is in quickly ( ie,
ahead of NUS!)
I think UCU may well be mildly supportive too….. Fingers crossed.
Thanks for your co-operation on all of ts!
Best,
Susan
Sent from my iPad
On 27 Sep 2011, at 21:04, “SRC President” wrote:
Susan,
Appendix B Emails between Susan Stewart and Stuart Ritchie
Iain should be sending you our line soon. I think its a bit on the long side- but who am I to
argue…

S
Stuart Ritchie,
President,
Students’ Representative Council,
John McIntyre Building,
University Avenue,
Glasgow,
G12 8QQ
Tel: 01413398541
Fax: 01413373557
Mobile: 07843203717
Email: president@src.gla.ac.uk
Web: http://www.glasgowstudent.net

Glasgow University Students’ Representative Council is a registered charity – SC006970
—–Original Message—–
From: Susan Stewart
Sent: 27 September 2011 22:14
To: SRC VP Media and Communications
Cc: SRC President; Peter Aitchison
Subject: Re: RUK Fees Release v2
Of course, the 1k for every student means that the cost of a Glasgow
degree is actually 26k….
But I guess you have different constituencies to consider…….
Thanks for sharing,
Susan
Sent from my iPad
On 27 Sep 2011, at 22:07, “SRC VP Media and Communications” wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> Apologies for getting this to you so late, Stuart was off today and
I was waiting on a final nod from him before firing it off to you.
>
> Below is our release, I hope you find it suitable. If you have any
questions or comments please let us know.
>
> I wondered if you could give us an idea of your release schedule
for tomorrow, is it a case of sending out the release as soon as
Court have approved the decision?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Iain
>
> — Appendix B Emails between Susan Stewart and Stuart Ritchie
>
> PRESS RELEASE
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
> Glasgow University students question management following
announcement of fee levels for English, Welsh and Northern Irish
students.
>
> Glasgow University Students’ Representative Council [GUSRC]
responded to the decision taken by the University of Glasgow to set
fees at a maximum of £27,000 for Rest-of-UK student [RUK] by
demanding further details of support packages which will be
introduced for students.
>
> It has been announced that the sub-committee formed of members of
the University Court have chosen to set fees at £6750 per year for
the majority of students, whilst those choosing to study dentistry,
medicine or veterinary medicine being charged the full £9,000 per
year.
>
> Whilst GUSRC praised the introduction of a £1,000 bursary for all
RUK students starting University, and the notion of further fee
waivers and bursaries for low income households, GUSRC President
Stuart Ritchie, who was part of the sub-committee’s discussions,
called for the University to reveal details on how these measures
will be implemented. He said:
>
> “GUSRC welcome the choice of a fee level below £9,000 per year but
are fully aware that the total cost of a University of Glasgow degree
will be £27,000 excluding bursaries. We now ask the University to
provide further details of how this cost will be subsidised,
particularly for those from low-income households.”
>
> “We worked constructively to lobby the University to ensure that a
commitment would be made to keep the University of Glasgow open and
inclusive. Whilst the initiatives mentioned in today’s announcement
take a step toward this, further information is needed to prove that
the finance packages are not merely tokenistic, so that students
considering the University of Glasgow can be made aware of the
funding that is now available to them.”
>
> “We will be working with both students and the University going
forward in order to ensure that those choosing Glasgow are able to
take advantage of the bursaries and fee waivers offered as part of
the new fee structure.”
>
> Ritchie went on to say that the avoidance of the £9,000 and £36,000
maximum levels for the majority of students was a sign that the
University has been realistic in setting the fee level for Glasgow.
>
> “GUSRC are an anti-fees organisation, and we therefore condemn the
fee increase at a base level, however we recognise that the position
the University finds itself in is not one of its own choosing, and
that neither the Scottish nor Westminster governments should escape
blame following the removal of the teaching grant for RUK students.”
>
> “We are, however, pleased that the University has chosen to show
restraint in setting the fee level below the £36,000 maximum. The
University of Glasgow is a world class institution, and the choice to
set fees below the maximum means that the University will continue to
be a realistic option for students from the rest of the UK who want Appendix B Emails between Susan Stewart and Stuart Ritchie
to study at a University offering a one of the best student
experiences in Britain.”
>
> NOTES TO EDITOR
>
> Glasgow University Students’ Representative Council represents the
interests of students registered at the University of Glasgow to the
University and on a national level. The representative function is
augmented by the delivery of services aimed at enhancing the student
experience while at Glasgow. Council comprises up to 43 elected
students who meet throughout the year.
>
> For more information contact:
>
> Iain Smith
> VP Media and Communications
> vp-comms@src.gla.ac.uk
> 0141 339 8541
> 07709451893
>
>
> —
> Iain Smith
> Vice President (Media & Communications) University of Glasgow
> Students’ Representative Council John McIntyre Building GLASGOW,
G12
> 8QQ
>
> t: 0141 339 8541
> m: 07709 451893
> f: 0141 337 3557
> w: http://www.glasgowstudent.net
>
> The University of Glasgow Students’ Representative Council is a
charity registered in Scotland.
> Registration number SC006970
>
>
From: Susan Stewart
Sent: 27 September 2011 22:25
To: SRC President
Subject: Fwd: RUK Fees Release v2
Kind of disappointed, Stuart, had hoped for more positive tone from SRC.
UCu will welcome our position. Especially disappointing since I know you were one
of the people on working group arguing for the 9k position. (and you know how much
I disagree with that!!)
Our distinctive position is 26k ( when first year bursary taken into account) as well as
WP/ access arrangements.
Glasgow could come out smelling of roses tomorrow, but SRC release makes that less
likely.. Appendix B Emails between Susan Stewart and Stuart Ritchie
I understand your need to play to/placate your various constituencies, but your
release is far more negative than I’d expected.
Susan
Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:
From: SRC VP Media and Communications
Date: 27 September 2011 22:05:29 GMT+01:00
To: Susan Stewart
Cc: SRC President
Subject: FW: RUK Fees Release v2
Hi Susan,
Apologies for getting this to you so late, Stuart was off today and I was waiting on a
final nod from him before firing it off to you.
Below is our release, I hope you find it suitable. If you have any questions or
comments please let us know.
I wondered if you could give us an idea of your release schedule for tomorrow, is it a
case of sending out the release as soon as Court have approved the decision?
Thanks,
Iain

PRESS RELEASE
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Glasgow University students question management following announcement of fee
levels for English, Welsh and Northern Irish students.
Glasgow University Students’ Representative Council [GUSRC] responded to the
decision taken by the University of Glasgow to set fees at a maximum of £27,000 for
Rest-of-UK student [RUK] by demanding further details of support packages which
will be introduced for students.
It has been announced that the sub-committee formed of members of the University
Court have chosen to set fees at £6750 per year for the majority of students, whilst
those choosing to study dentistry, medicine or veterinary medicine being charged the
full £9,000 per year.
Whilst GUSRC praised the introduction of a £1,000 bursary for all RUK students
starting University, and the notion of further fee waivers and bursaries for low income Appendix B Emails between Susan Stewart and Stuart Ritchie
households, GUSRC President Stuart Ritchie, who was part of the sub-committee’s
discussions, called for the University to reveal details on how these measures will be
implemented. He said:
“GUSRC welcome the choice of a fee level below £9,000 per year but are fully aware
that the total cost of a University of Glasgow degree will be £27,000 excluding
bursaries. We now ask the University to provide further details of how this cost will
be subsidised, particularly for those from low-income households.”
“We worked constructively to lobby the University to ensure that a commitment
would be made to keep the University of Glasgow open and inclusive. Whilst the
initiatives mentioned in today’s announcement take a step toward this, further
information is needed to prove that the finance packages are not merely tokenistic, so
that students considering the University of Glasgow can be made aware of the funding
that is now available to them.”
“We will be working with both students and the University going forward in order to
ensure that those choosing Glasgow are able to take advantage of the bursaries and fee
waivers offered as part of the new fee structure.”
Ritchie went on to say that the avoidance of the £9,000 and £36,000 maximum levels
for the majority of students was a sign that the University has been realistic in setting
the fee level for Glasgow.
“GUSRC are an anti-fees organisation, and we therefore condemn the fee increase at a
base level, however we recognise that the position the University finds itself in is not
one of its own choosing, and that neither the Scottish nor Westminster governments
should escape blame following the removal of the teaching grant for RUK students.”
“We are, however, pleased that the University has chosen to show restraint in setting
the fee level below the £36,000 maximum. The University of Glasgow is a world
class institution, and the choice to set fees below the maximum means that the
University will continue to be a realistic option for students from the rest of the UK
who want to study at a University offering a one of the best student experiences in
Britain.”
NOTES TO EDITOR
Glasgow University Students’ Representative Council represents the interests of
students registered at the University of Glasgow to the University and on a national
level. The representative function is augmented by the delivery of services aimed at
enhancing the student experience while at Glasgow. Council comprises up to 43
elected students who meet throughout the year.
For more information contact:
Iain Smith
VP Media and Communications
vp-comms@src.gla.ac.uk
0141 339 8541 Appendix B Emails between Susan Stewart and Stuart Ritchie
07709451893

Iain Smith
Vice President (Media & Communications)
University of Glasgow Students’ Representative Council
John McIntyre Building
GLASGOW, G12 8QQ
t: 0141 339 8541
m: 07709 451893
f: 0141 337 3557
w: http://www.glasgowstudent.net
The University of Glasgow Students’ Representative Council is a charity registered in
Scotland.
Registration number SC006970
—–Original Message—–
From: Susan Stewart
Sent: 27 September 2011 22:35
To: SRC VP Media and Communications
Cc: SRC President; Peter Aitchison
Subject: Re: RUK Fees Release v2
Timings for tomorrow, Ian: We will release as soon as court has made
decision and Peter will let you know when that happens. I’m
anticipating around 11.
I guess you will want to get your release out immediately after
announcement, so we will ensure you know.UCU also doing a release,
there’s somewhat more positive than yours!
Of course, unlike many universities, our SRC has been represented on
the working group considering the various fee options.
Best,
Susan
Sent from my iPad
On 27 Sep 2011, at 22:07, “SRC VP Media and Communications” wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> Apologies for getting this to you so late, Stuart was off today and
I was waiting on a final nod from him before firing it off to you.
>
> Below is our release, I hope you find it suitable. If you have any
questions or comments please let us know.
> Appendix B Emails between Susan Stewart and Stuart Ritchie
> I wondered if you could give us an idea of your release schedule
for tomorrow, is it a case of sending out the release as soon as
Court have approved the decision?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Iain
>
> —
>
> PRESS RELEASE
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
> Glasgow University students question management following
announcement of fee levels for English, Welsh and Northern Irish
students.
>
> Glasgow University Students’ Representative Council [GUSRC]
responded to the decision taken by the University of Glasgow to set
fees at a maximum of £27,000 for Rest-of-UK student [RUK] by
demanding further details of support packages which will be
introduced for students.
>
> It has been announced that the sub-committee formed of members of
the University Court have chosen to set fees at £6750 per year for
the majority of students, whilst those choosing to study dentistry,
medicine or veterinary medicine being charged the full £9,000 per
year.
>
> Whilst GUSRC praised the introduction of a £1,000 bursary for all
RUK students starting University, and the notion of further fee
waivers and bursaries for low income households, GUSRC President
Stuart Ritchie, who was part of the sub-committee’s discussions,
called for the University to reveal details on how these measures
will be implemented. He said:
>
> “GUSRC welcome the choice of a fee level below £9,000 per year but
are fully aware that the total cost of a University of Glasgow degree
will be £27,000 excluding bursaries. We now ask the University to
provide further details of how this cost will be subsidised,
particularly for those from low-income households.”
>
> “We worked constructively to lobby the University to ensure that a
commitment would be made to keep the University of Glasgow open and
inclusive. Whilst the initiatives mentioned in today’s announcement
take a step toward this, further information is needed to prove that
the finance packages are not merely tokenistic, so that students
considering the University of Glasgow can be made aware of the
funding that is now available to them.”
>
> “We will be working with both students and the University going
forward in order to ensure that those choosing Glasgow are able to
take advantage of the bursaries and fee waivers offered as part of
the new fee structure.”
>
> Ritchie went on to say that the avoidance of the £9,000 and £36,000
maximum levels for the majority of students was a sign that the
University has been realistic in setting the fee level for Glasgow.
>
> “GUSRC are an anti-fees organisation, and we therefore condemn the
fee increase at a base level, however we recognise that the position Appendix B Emails between Susan Stewart and Stuart Ritchie
the University finds itself in is not one of its own choosing, and
that neither the Scottish nor Westminster governments should escape
blame following the removal of the teaching grant for RUK students.”
>
> “We are, however, pleased that the University has chosen to show
restraint in setting the fee level below the £36,000 maximum. The
University of Glasgow is a world class institution, and the choice to
set fees below the maximum means that the University will continue to
be a realistic option for students from the rest of the UK who want
to study at a University offering a one of the best student
experiences in Britain.”
>
> NOTES TO EDITOR
>
> Glasgow University Students’ Representative Council represents the
interests of students registered at the University of Glasgow to the
University and on a national level. The representative function is
augmented by the delivery of services aimed at enhancing the student
experience while at Glasgow. Council comprises up to 43 elected
students who meet throughout the year.
>
> For more information contact:
>
> Iain Smith
> VP Media and Communications
> vp-comms@src.gla.ac.uk
> 0141 339 8541
> 07709451893
>
>
> —
> Iain Smith
> Vice President (Media & Communications) University of Glasgow
> Students’ Representative Council John McIntyre Building GLASGOW,
G12
> 8QQ
>
> t: 0141 339 8541
> m: 07709 451893
> f: 0141 337 3557
> w: http://www.glasgowstudent.net
>
> The University of Glasgow Students’ Representative Council is a
charity registered in Scotland.
> Registration number SC006970
>
>
From: Susan Stewart
Sent: 27 September 2011 22:46
To: SRC President
Subject: Re: RUK Fees Release v2
Take your point….. But we are coming out with a distinctly different position, one
which will be welcomed by others, and i think SRC could have been wee bit more
gracious….. Government will welcome our announcement, so will UCU, and so, I
suspect, will NUS . Appendix B Emails between Susan Stewart and Stuart Ritchie
You will be the ones who are out of step with the dominant narrative ( which, given
your own support for 9k is, to say the least, ironic!!)
But I do understand your own position. Just not sure that ‘ oppositionalism’ for the
sake of it brings the results you want.
Anyway, still suffering, so going to bed, if I can tear myself away from ed’s riveting
conference speech ( sic)!!
S
Sent from my iPad
On 27 Sep 2011, at 22:33, “SRC President” wrote:
Susan
Whist I think that’s fair. There are lots of people on campus who will expect us to be
outraged that we are charging anything like 26k. That includes the rest of the exec.
I seriously don’t think I had any option. Particularly when you consider the botched
PR job you guys did on the hive. If I sound chummy with the uni am toast.
To be frank even if the group had been persuaded To go to 3×9 I would have released
a statement saying I was disappointed with the decision.
See you tomorrow
Sent from Stuart Ritchie iPhone
On 27 Sep 2011, at 22:25, “Susan Stewart” wrote:
Kind of disappointed, Stuart, had hoped for more positive tone from SRC.
UCu will welcome our position. Especially disappointing since I know you were one
of the people on working group arguing for the 9k position. (and you know how much
I disagree with that!!)
Our distinctive position is 26k ( when first year bursary taken into account) as well as
WP/ access arrangements.
Glasgow could come out smelling of roses tomorrow, but SRC release makes that less
likely..
I understand your need to play to/placate your various constituencies, but your
release is far more negative than I’d expected.
Susan
Sent from my iPad Appendix B Emails between Susan Stewart and Stuart Ritchie
Begin forwarded message:
From: SRC VP Media and Communications
Date: 27 September 2011 22:05:29 GMT+01:00
To: Susan Stewart
Cc: SRC President
Subject: FW: RUK Fees Release v2
Hi Susan,
Apologies for getting this to you so late, Stuart was off today and I was waiting on a
final nod from him before firing it off to you.
Below is our release, I hope you find it suitable. If you have any questions or
comments please let us know.
I wondered if you could give us an idea of your release schedule for tomorrow, is it a
case of sending out the release as soon as Court have approved the decision?
Thanks,
Iain

PRESS RELEASE
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Glasgow University students question management following announcement of fee
levels for English, Welsh and Northern Irish students.
Glasgow University Students’ Representative Council [GUSRC] responded to the
decision taken by the University of Glasgow to set fees at a maximum of £27,000 for
Rest-of-UK student [RUK] by demanding further details of support packages which
will be introduced for students.
It has been announced that the sub-committee formed of members of the University
Court have chosen to set fees at £6750 per year for the majority of students, whilst
those choosing to study dentistry, medicine or veterinary medicine being charged the
full £9,000 per year.
Whilst GUSRC praised the introduction of a £1,000 bursary for all RUK students
starting University, and the notion of further fee waivers and bursaries for low income
households, GUSRC President Stuart Ritchie, who was part of the sub-committee’s
discussions, called for the University to reveal details on how these measures will be
implemented. He said:
“GUSRC welcome the choice of a fee level below £9,000 per year but are fully aware
that the total cost of a University of Glasgow degree will be £27,000 excluding Appendix B Emails between Susan Stewart and Stuart Ritchie
bursaries. We now ask the University to provide further details of how this cost will
be subsidised, particularly for those from low-income households.”
“We worked constructively to lobby the University to ensure that a commitment
would be made to keep the University of Glasgow open and inclusive. Whilst the
initiatives mentioned in today’s announcement take a step toward this, further
information is needed to prove that the finance packages are not merely tokenistic, so
that students considering the University of Glasgow can be made aware of the funding
that is now available to them.”
“We will be working with both students and the University going forward in order to
ensure that those choosing Glasgow are able to take advantage of the bursaries and fee
waivers offered as part of the new fee structure.”
Ritchie went on to say that the avoidance of the £9,000 and £36,000 maximum levels
for the majority of students was a sign that the University has been realistic in setting
the fee level for Glasgow.
“GUSRC are an anti-fees organisation, and we therefore condemn the fee increase at a
base level, however we recognise that the position the University finds itself in is not
one of its own choosing, and that neither the Scottish nor Westminster governments
should escape blame following the removal of the teaching grant for RUK students.”
“We are, however, pleased that the University has chosen to show restraint in setting
the fee level below the £36,000 maximum. The University of Glasgow is a world
class institution, and the choice to set fees below the maximum means that the
University will continue to be a realistic option for students from the rest of the UK
who want to study at a University offering a one of the best student experiences in
Britain.”
NOTES TO EDITOR
Glasgow University Students’ Representative Council represents the interests of
students registered at the University of Glasgow to the University and on a national
level. The representative function is augmented by the delivery of services aimed at
enhancing the student experience while at Glasgow. Council comprises up to 43
elected students who meet throughout the year.
For more information contact:
Iain Smith
VP Media and Communications
vp-comms@src.gla.ac.uk
0141 339 8541
07709451893

Iain Smith
Vice President (Media & Communications) Appendix B Emails between Susan Stewart and Stuart Ritchie
University of Glasgow Students’ Representative Council
John McIntyre Building
GLASGOW, G12 8QQ
t: 0141 339 8541
m: 07709 451893
f: 0141 337 3557
w: http://www.glasgowstudent.net
The University of Glasgow Students’ Representative Council is a charity registered in
Scotland.
Registration number SC006970

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